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GPPGRL wrote:From clickondetroit.com Story posted 2013.02.18 at 6:59 EST
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Joe-Gentz-s-mother-speaks-out-before-son-s-sentencing-for-role-in-Jane-Bashara-s-murder/-/1719314/18975066/-/vjnq8s/-/index.html
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"You would never think something like that could happen to your family. And that's what Jane's mother is going through, her daughter was taken away through a horrible, horrible incident," said Gentz's mother. "Our prayers are with them, and I have been praying for her and her family."
Gentz's mother is convinced her son was forced to kill Jane and that Jane's husband, Bob Bashara, orchestrated everything....
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meandmyshadow wrote:
Keep the faith for Jane!
Incident didn't sit well with me either, but I really believe that it just a poor word choice from a woman who has a lot of complicated emotions to sort through. She's got a combination of shame and disappointment at knowing her son took the life of another woman, some amount of blame on herself probably for not keeping her son from monsters like Blob, grief at the loss of her son in the future due to his seemingly naive association with sociopaths who knew exactly what to say to him to get him to do what he wanted. And I'm sure a ton of rage and anger toward Monster. I don't think she intended to minimize in any way the way Jane brutally lost her life, and I believe in her own possibly intellectually limited way she was trying to express how much she felt for them and that they were in her thoughts and prayers.chewet wrote:GPPGRL wrote:From clickondetroit.com Story posted 2013.02.18 at 6:59 EST
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Joe-Gentz-s-mother-speaks-out-before-son-s-sentencing-for-role-in-Jane-Bashara-s-murder/-/1719314/18975066/-/vjnq8s/-/index.html
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"You would never think something like that could happen to your family. And that's what Jane's mother is going through, her daughter was taken away through a horrible, horrible incident," said Gentz's mother. "Our prayers are with them, and I have been praying for her and her family."
Gentz's mother is convinced her son was forced to kill Jane and that Jane's husband, Bob Bashara, orchestrated everything....
BBM
Thanks for posting, GPPGRL-- added the link so people can view. When I saw this earlier, I must admit the word "incident" did not sit that well with me. It's not merely an "incident." It's a cold-blooded, calculated, vicious killing.
And I cannot imagine the pain Jane's family continues to endure because of this.
Hank Winchester was spot on when he stated that at least Mrs. G can still see her son. For the Engelbrechts there is no such option.
As Shadow pointed out earlier, let's all keep faith. And pray real Justice is coming. Soon!
chewet wrote:Fox 2 Live Stream Link
Click on the red link in article:
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/21239261/handyman-joe-gentz-returning-to-court-in-bashara-case
kittygirl wrote:chewet wrote:Fox 2 Live Stream Link
Click on the red link in article:
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/21239261/handyman-joe-gentz-returning-to-court-in-bashara-case
Thank you!!!! Cannot really watch sound but...between twitter, the free press live blog, and J4J I will fill in the gaps.
I follow:meandmyshadow wrote:kittygirl wrote:chewet wrote:Fox 2 Live Stream Link
Click on the red link in article:
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/21239261/handyman-joe-gentz-returning-to-court-in-bashara-case
Thank you!!!! Cannot really watch sound but...between twitter, the free press live blog, and J4J I will fill in the gaps.
Hey can someone provide a twitter link for the best twitter to follow?
kittygirl wrote:I follow:meandmyshadow wrote:kittygirl wrote:chewet wrote:Fox 2 Live Stream Link
Click on the red link in article:
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/21239261/handyman-joe-gentz-returning-to-court-in-bashara-case
Thank you!!!! Cannot really watch sound but...between twitter, the free press live blog, and J4J I will fill in the gaps.
Hey can someone provide a twitter link for the best twitter to follow?
@GeorgeHunter_DN
@langeamyFOX2
@cferretti_dn
I like George best...
kittygirl wrote:heart breaking right now listening to Jane's sister.
Pointed Barbs wrote:Startin to like Judge Vonda Evans...
kittygirl wrote:Pointed Barbs wrote:Startin to like Judge Vonda Evans...
You and me both!
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GPPGRL wrote:"EXCLUSIVE: Bashara DNA report
Smita Kalokhe
Feb 19, 2013 6:56 p.m.
http://wxyz.m0bl.net/r/1eu23p
Could forensics test results obtained exclusively by 7 Action News link Bob Bashara to his wife's murder?
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EllsBells wrote:GPPGRL wrote:"EXCLUSIVE: Bashara DNA report
Smita Kalokhe
Feb 19, 2013 6:56 p.m.
http://wxyz.m0bl.net/r/1eu23p
Could forensics test results obtained exclusively by 7 Action News link Bob Bashara to his wife's murder?
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Why is the Michigan State Forensics Lab releasing this evidence? That's troubling.
And --- while applauding Judge Evans' stern lecture to Gentz --- I also find it troubling that she presented as a settled matter that he acted under the control of "his master," meaning Bashara. Since she's a judge in the courthouse where Bashara will be tried, shouldn't she have couched it as "you allege being controlled by another," "whether or not you acted with someone else" or "you claim to being coerced" etc?
Sure, we all believe Bashara did force or trick Gentz into the murder, but that's different than a sitting judge implying on the record that BB is guilty before she's even seen any evidence. Judge Evans won't be the judge to hear Boober's case, but it's about upholding the principle of innocent until proven guilty. I think she should have left out an implication of another person, just talk about Gentz's culpability.
I also thought it was premature for Judge Evans to tell Julie to forgive and move on, given that her sister's murderer HASN'T EVEN BEEN CHARGED YET. Maybe she didn't mean to be scolding, but it sounded that way to me.
EllsBells wrote:This waiting game is getting very tiresome. Surely they have enough by now.
pastpast wrote:I am just beyond frustrated. I think this case has lost priority since Bob is in jail on other charges. A friend of mine had a daughter repeatedly raped and waited for 3 years for a trial to happen in Wayne county. How anyone can think that is justice is beyond me. God bless Jane's family. How they endure this without public statements is beyond me. I'd be in the prosecutors office daily... I am still wondering if it isnt' time for some public Justice for Jane rally to bring attention back to this case.
smallal wrote:While waiting for the charges to be brought against BB I took the time to read "Blood in the Snow". I was curious to know just what Griem did in that case and at what point he bolted just as he did with Bashara. It was interesting to hear the rhetoric he used because it sounded like a script he used in both cases. His attempts at levity only made him look more foolish. If you knew about the case but did not follow it, reading the book brings to mind the similarities. Not that BB chopped up his wife, but had the same disdain for her corpse as Grant. Both BB and Grant's wives were the bread winners, both BB and Grant were having affairs, both BB and Grant saw their wives as obstacles to their desires. Both BB and Grant did incredibly stupid things regarding their crimes. I believe both are sociopaths. Both BB and Grant female relatives who are enamored with them and tried to make them victims while having no respect or little consideration of the real victims. Grants sister and BB's cousin are cut from the same cloth. Here is a quote that could just as well be said of BB. This is from Tara Grant's sisters husband Erik. "Stephen was her Achilles heel." "I never liked or trusted Stephen.I cannot begin to express how many times my family and I were betrayed or belittled by this man. Stephen Grant was the relative that everyone tolerated only because he was married to Tara... He literally siphons the energy from those around him only to make himself more powerful." These remarks were made during the sentencing phase. Stephen Grant was by some mysterious jury fluke found guilty of only second degree murder. The time it takes for a person to die as well as premeditation come into consideration for a first degree murder conviction. Perhaps, this is the delay in charging BB, they really want to be sure they can successfully convince a jury that it's first degree murder. I would think the fact that he called a co-conspirator to his home proves premeditation. I'm also wondering how many people can be convicted of one murder, and can the one who did not physically inflict the death blow be charged with first degree murder ? It may be more legally complicated than we imagine. Anyway, thanks for reading my post and read the book, I love it when Griem plays the fool, twice.
family4ever wrote:smallal wrote:... It may be more legally complicated than we imagine...
BBM
EXCELLENT post! Spot on... thanks for writing it!
smallal wrote:We know that charges are coming for BB. But does anyone know what they could be ? If JG already was charged, pled guilty and sentenced for second degree murder of JB, can another person be charged for her death ? Certainly conspiracy to commit murder is what we have been expecting but can there be anymore ? Can a person who coerces someone into killing another be as guilty as the one who actually performs the deed ? I've been searching the web for an explanation or example and have yet to find one. My fear is that since JG has been convicted and sentenced can you charge anyone else with anything more severe than conspiracy ? I am continuing to search for cases similar but if someone already has answers, let us know.
kittygirl wrote:In Michigan with a conspiracy to commit first degree murder conviction Monster could end up with a nonparolable life sentence. I am not sure if they can charge with both. But the punishment for a conspiracy charge in Michigan would be the same as if he was convicted on the charge that the conspiracy was for, in this case premeditated murder, 1st degree murder.
Depending on too whether Monster did anything to assist in the actual act of the murder or participated in any other felonies like kidnapping? or something then he would be charged with felony murder. The statute lists a number of felonies that when murder occurs in the perpetration of it becomes 1st Degree (felony) murder
kittygirl wrote:In Michigan with a conspiracy to commit first degree murder conviction Monster could end up with a nonparolable life sentence. I am not sure if they can charge with both. But the punishment for a conspiracy charge in Michigan would be the same as if he was convicted on the charge that the conspiracy was for, in this case premeditated murder, 1st degree murder.
Depending on too whether Monster did anything to assist in the actual act of the murder or participated in any other felonies like kidnapping? or something then he would be charged with felony murder. The statute lists a number of felonies that when murder occurs in the perpetration of it becomes 1st Degree (felony) murder
EllsBells wrote:Yes, but what is gained by a delay in filing charges? Our cause of justice of Jane is not served by more delays. Witnesses die, have decayed memories, become impaired, or are more reluctant to testify. What happens if Gentz dies by natural causes or suffers a stroke? Is it just bureaucracy standing in the way?
The investigation can still continue after charges are filed, so what is the compelling reason to not file charges?
Certainly Monster Bob's attorney will try to delay at every turn, so why should the Wayne County Prosecutor help the defense by prolonging the delay?
Is it time for a protest march with Justice for Jane signs in Grosse Pointe or at the Wayne County Prosecutor's office --- or not? Wouldn't Jane be at the head of an effort for justice if it was her friend who was senselessly murdered? Why are we here if not to demand justice for Jane?
Are we powerless and/or failing Jane?
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I think there are a number of reasons why it is prudent to delay the filing of charges. Before the file charges the prosecutor's office can issue investigative subpoenas which they had used previously in this case to gather evidence. Also, once charges are filed the defendant is entitled to certain steps in the legal process like a preliminary examination within 14 days, so the case starts moving. Bob would have access to all the discovery and that could potentially harm any further investigation, right now he has no access to discovery. Also, I'm assuming that there is much of this case that is physical evidence (the forensic evidence WXYZ reported having showing Jane and Monster's combined DNA), evidence removed from Rachel's apartment and the Bob's house, internet records, the piece of paper that "heparin" was written on, internet searches for insulin, etc. The strength of this evidence is not going to be diminished by the passage of time and from the way too many crime shows that I watch it seems like that is the kind of stuff that juries like these days and is more irrefutable than witness testimony. As soon as Monster has access to the discovery he knows who is going to be a witness against him and I think that the identity of those witnesses be kept confidential for as long as possible for their own safety and peace of mind.EllsBells wrote:Yes, but what is gained by a delay in filing charges? Our cause of justice of Jane is not served by more delays. Witnesses die, have decayed memories, become impaired, or are more reluctant to testify. What happens if Gentz dies by natural causes or suffers a stroke? Is it just bureaucracy standing in the way?
The investigation can still continue after charges are filed, so what is the compelling reason to not file charges?
Certainly Monster Bob's attorney will try to delay at every turn, so why should the Wayne County Prosecutor help the defense by prolonging the delay?
Is it time for a protest march with Justice for Jane signs in Grosse Pointe or at the Wayne County Prosecutor's office --- or not? Wouldn't Jane be at the head of an effort for justice if it was her friend who was senselessly murdered? Why are we here if not to demand justice for Jane?
Are we powerless and/or failing Jane?
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