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Bashara Murder Charges: 1st Degree, 1st Degree Conspiracy & Solicitation + Perjury, Witness Intimidation & Obstruction of Justice

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I missed most of Mama's testimony but now there is a police woman on the stand.

Sept 4 is what she is testifying about.


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she is testifying about the retrieval of the firearm from Griem's office.


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kittygirl wrote:I missed most of Mama's testimony but now there is a police woman on the stand.

Sept 4 is what she is testifying about.
Mama B corroborated the gun story in the safe depsoit box then admitted Blob used her cell phone. Then they asked her did she ever call in a tip to a hotline or call Ruth to the Rescue. She said no then the lawyer said no further questions. Looks like Blob called in a fake tip on Mama B's phone?

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kittygirl wrote:I missed most of Mama's testimony but now there is a police woman on the stand.

Sept 4 is what she is testifying about.
Mama B corroborated the gun story in the safe depsoit box then admitted Blob used her cell phone.  Then they asked her did she ever call in a tip to a hotline or call Ruth to the Rescue.  She said no then the lawyer said no further questions.  Looks like Blob called in a fake tip on Mama B's phone?
Thanks for letting me know!!! The guys at work are indulging me and letting me listen and work at the same time Smile


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listen well for me i'm on the phone lol


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This is the man who he asked if he knew anyone who could put a hurt on somebody.


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Looks like it is done for today.


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Geez ... Boober wasn't even smart enough to throw away the gun, like into the middle of Lake St. Clair where no one could find it. The idiot puts it into a jointly held safety deposit box and gets his poor mother unwittingly to stow it away for him.

Then the creep has the gall to give both his cousin and mother a long contemptuous stare, when they were only doing what was required --- to tell the truth.

Thought Mrs. Bashara blouse was an odd choice at first --- look like a pediatric nurse smock --- until realized the words on it "hugs", "love", "care" etc. were probably meant to send a message to Bob. Why else pick such a strange top to wear to court? I feel bad for her now.

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Recap of today's testimony:

A member of St Michaels' vestry testified that he witnessed an argument between Jane and Blob in January 2012 (if I recall the date correctly) while the witness and Jane were counting the collection funds in the counting room.  Bob was asked to leave by the witness because his presence was not allowed, and his bevhavior was not appropriate.

Staphanie Samuels testified that in July 2012 she was called to the Comerica Bank in Grosse Pointe Woods by her Aunt Nancy Bashara to see the safe deposit box that Laura, Nancy and Bob shared.  Inside that box Nancy had found a pouch with a handgun.  She showed it to Laura and Stephanie.  They took the gun to the Middlesex house, hid it, showed it to David Griem.  David Griem took the gun off their hands.  Staphanie did not notify the police.  (it was here that they played the clip of the Dateline interview where Blob vehemently denies having a gun). She then testified that Bob she had assisted Bob in getting character letters from tenants and admitted that she wrote/typed the letter for one tenant (she actually only admitted to dictating the letter for the tenant).  Then she testified that Bob called her from jail and asked her to evict a specific tenant for him.  She also testified that she had seen the discovery documents that David Griem gave them regarding the solicitation case for Bob against Gentz.  Also there were forms she found in August 2013 in files of Bob's in her basement but I was interrupted so missed the significance of those papers. Oh, and Stephanie testified that she heard a phone message about an old "Boyfriend" I think maybe of Jane's that maybe could be a POI. She testified that Bob seemed excited about it. Guess this was the new POI that Griem and Bob talked so much about, eh?

Then Nancy Bashara took the stand, and corroborated the story of finding the gun in the safe deposit box, showing it to Stephanie and Laura, taking it home, hiding it, and giving it to David Griem.  She further testified that the pouch that the gun was in was in a bag of jewelry, watches and coins that Bob gave Nancy to place in the safe deposit box at Comerica Bank in March 2012.  Nancy corroborated that she saw the pouch in the bag in Marrch, but did not look in it.  Then she corroborated that no one else had signed in to access the safe deposit between March and July 2012 when she saw the pouch still there, opened it, and found the hand gun.  Lastly. Nancy testified that she did let Bob use her phone, but denied making a phone call to a tipline for the case or calling Ruth to the rescue (clearly we will be hearing more about THAT later when we find out that such a call was most likely made from Nancy's phone).

After Nancy Bashara a Michigan State police officer took the stand to testify that she was called to recover a gun from David Griem's office in September 2012 that was in the same pouch identified by both Nancy and Stephanie.

Next a friend of Bob's took the stand and stated that he had been introduced to the BDSM lifestyle by Blob, invited to parties at the dungeon, met Rachel there.  Testified that Rachel was Blobs girl (and slave) and that the plan was to buy a house with her and have a life together.  He also testified that Bob was not happy in his marriage and that Jane was totally opposed to the BDSM lifestyle.  He then testified that in July of 2011 during a lunch meeting Blob inquired if the witness knew anyone who could "rough up" an annoying tenant.  Lastly, the witness testified that he had received a call from Bob from jail that his name was being given to someone name Richard.  Just a guess here, but maybe this was the threat or Intimidation of witnesses and we will hear more later?

Finally, Jane's best friend took the stand and testified that Jane was not OK with Bob's lifestyle (he watched porn and used the kid's email addresses to pretend he was them and sent inappropriate emails), that Bob lied all the time, that Jane suspected Bob stole $10,000 from her 401K, that he was gone A LOT for the last few months of her life, and that she did not want a divorce, although Bob had mentioned it once.  

Did I miss anything?  Feel free to fill in the blanks!!



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meandmyshadow wrote:Recap of today's testimony:

A member of St Michaels' vestry testified that he witnessed an argument between Jane and Blob in January 2012 (if I recall the date correctly) while the witness and Jane were counting the collection funds in the counting room.  Bob was asked to leave by the witness because his presence was not allowed, and his bevhavior was not appropriate.

Staphanie Samuels testified that in July 2012 she was called to the Comerica Bank in Grosse Pointe Woods by her Aunt Nancy Bashara to see the safe deposit box that Laura, Nancy and Bob shared.  Inside that box Nancy had found a pouch with a handgun.  She showed it to Laura and Stephanie.  They took the gun to the Middlesex house, hid it, showed it to David Griem.  David Griem took the gun off their hands.  Staphanie did not notify the police.  (it was here that they played the clip of the Dateline interview where Blob vehemently denies having a gun). She then testified that Bob she had assisted Bob in getting character letters from tenants and admitted that she wrote/typed the letter for one tenant (she actually only admitted to dictating the letter for the tenant).  Then she testified that Bob called her from jail and asked her to evict a specific tenant for him.  She also testified that she had seen the discovery documents that David Griem gave them regarding the solicitation case for Bob against Gentz.  Also there were forms she found in August 2013 in files of Bob's in her basement but I was interrupted so missed the significance of those papers.

Then Nancy Bashara took the stand, and corroborated the story of finding the gun in the safe deposit box, showing it to Stephanie and Laura, taking it home, hiding it, and giving it to David Griem.  She further testified that the pouch that the gun was in was in a bag of jewelry, watches and coins that Bob gave Nancy to place in the safe deposit box at Comerica Bank in March 2012.  Nancy corroborated that she saw the pouch in the bag in Marrch, but did not look in it.  Then she corroborated that no one else had signed in to access the safe deposit between March and July 2012 when she saw the pouch still there, opened it, and found the hand gun.  Lastly. Nancy testified that she did let Bob use her phone, but denied making a phone call to a tipline for the case or calling Ruth to the rescue (clearly we will be hearing more about THAT later when we find out that such a call was most likely made from Nancy's phone).

After Nancy Bashara a Michigan State police officer took the stand to testify that she was called to recover a gun from David Griem's office in September 2012 that was in the same pouch identified by both Nancy and Stephanie.

Next a friend of Bob's took the stand and stated that he had been introduced to the BDSM lifestyle by Blob, invited to parties at the dungeon, met Rachel there.  Testified that Rachel was Blobs girl (and slave) ans that the plan was to buy a house with her and ave a life together.  He also testified that Bob was not happy in his marriage or that Jane was totally opposed to the BDSM lifestyle.  He then testified that in July of 2011 during a lunch meeting Blob inquired if the witness knew anyone who could "rough up" and annoying tenant.  Lastly, the witness testified that he had received a call from Bob from jail that his name was being given to someone name Richard.  Just a guess here, but maybe this was the threat or Intimidation of witnesses and we will hear more later?

Finally, Jane's best friend took the stand and testified that Jane was not OK with Bob's lifestyle (he watched porn and used the kid's email addresses to pretend he was them and sent inappropriate emails), that Bob lied all the time, that Jane suspected Bob stole $10,000 from her 401K, that he was gone A LOT for the last few months of her life, and that she did not want a divorce, although Bob had mentioned it once.  

Did I miss anything?  Feel free to fill in the blanks!!
Excellent writeup!!!!flower 

The significance of the papers in Stephanie's testimony...in some of the papers she found a box of bullets.


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kittygirl wrote:
meandmyshadow wrote:Recap of today's testimony:

A member of St Michaels' vestry testified that he witnessed an argument between Jane and Blob in January 2012 (if I recall the date correctly) while the witness and Jane were counting the collection funds in the counting room.  Bob was asked to leave by the witness because his presence was not allowed, and his bevhavior was not appropriate.

Staphanie Samuels testified that in July 2012 she was called to the Comerica Bank in Grosse Pointe Woods by her Aunt Nancy Bashara to see the safe deposit box that Laura, Nancy and Bob shared.  Inside that box Nancy had found a pouch with a handgun.  She showed it to Laura and Stephanie.  They took the gun to the Middlesex house, hid it, showed it to David Griem.  David Griem took the gun off their hands.  Staphanie did not notify the police.  (it was here that they played the clip of the Dateline interview where Blob vehemently denies having a gun). She then testified that Bob she had assisted Bob in getting character letters from tenants and admitted that she wrote/typed the letter for one tenant (she actually only admitted to dictating the letter for the tenant).  Then she testified that Bob called her from jail and asked her to evict a specific tenant for him.  She also testified that she had seen the discovery documents that David Griem gave them regarding the solicitation case for Bob against Gentz.  Also there were forms she found in August 2013 in files of Bob's in her basement but I was interrupted so missed the significance of those papers.

Then Nancy Bashara took the stand, and corroborated the story of finding the gun in the safe deposit box, showing it to Stephanie and Laura, taking it home, hiding it, and giving it to David Griem.  She further testified that the pouch that the gun was in was in a bag of jewelry, watches and coins that Bob gave Nancy to place in the safe deposit box at Comerica Bank in March 2012.  Nancy corroborated that she saw the pouch in the bag in Marrch, but did not look in it.  Then she corroborated that no one else had signed in to access the safe deposit between March and July 2012 when she saw the pouch still there, opened it, and found the hand gun.  Lastly. Nancy testified that she did let Bob use her phone, but denied making a phone call to a tipline for the case or calling Ruth to the rescue (clearly we will be hearing more about THAT later when we find out that such a call was most likely made from Nancy's phone).

After Nancy Bashara a Michigan State police officer took the stand to testify that she was called to recover a gun from David Griem's office in September 2012 that was in the same pouch identified by both Nancy and Stephanie.

Next a friend of Bob's took the stand and stated that he had been introduced to the BDSM lifestyle by Blob, invited to parties at the dungeon, met Rachel there.  Testified that Rachel was Blobs girl (and slave) ans that the plan was to buy a house with her and ave a life together.  He also testified that Bob was not happy in his marriage or that Jane was totally opposed to the BDSM lifestyle.  He then testified that in July of 2011 during a lunch meeting Blob inquired if the witness knew anyone who could "rough up" and annoying tenant.  Lastly, the witness testified that he had received a call from Bob from jail that his name was being given to someone name Richard.  Just a guess here, but maybe this was the threat or Intimidation of witnesses and we will hear more later?

Finally, Jane's best friend took the stand and testified that Jane was not OK with Bob's lifestyle (he watched porn and used the kid's email addresses to pretend he was them and sent inappropriate emails), that Bob lied all the time, that Jane suspected Bob stole $10,000 from her 401K, that he was gone A LOT for the last few months of her life, and that she did not want a divorce, although Bob had mentioned it once.  

Did I miss anything?  Feel free to fill in the blanks!!
Excellent writeup!!!!flower 

The significance of the papers in Stephanie's testimony...in some of the papers she found a box of bullets.  

Thanks, Kitty- I missed that!

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EllsBells wrote:Geez ... Boober wasn't even smart enough to throw away the gun, like into the middle of Lake St. Clair where no one could find it.  The idiot puts it into a jointly held safety deposit box and gets his poor mother unwittingly to stow it away for him.  

Then the creep has the gall to give both his cousin and mother a long contemptuous stare, when they were only doing what was required --- to tell the truth.

Thought Mrs. Bashara blouse was an odd choice at first --- look like a pediatric nurse smock --- until realized the words on it "hugs", "love", "care" etc. were probably meant to send a message to Bob.  Why else pick such a strange top to wear to court?  I feel bad for her now.

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The gun story seems a little strange that the three of them decided to give the gun to Griem without Blob's knowledge. Or even question him about it. I think at that point they were still trying to cover up for him or at least help. Perhaps that is why they did not mention having any conversation with Blob about the gun. And yes, how incredibly stupid or arrogant not to dispose of the gun yourself, especially after you go on record claiming you don't own one. Why would he try to keep it ?? Sheesh !

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smallal wrote:The gun story seems a little strange that the three of them decided to give the gun to Griem without Blob's knowledge. Or even question him about it. I think at that point they were still trying to cover up for him or at least help. Perhaps that is why they did not mention having any conversation with Blob about the gun. And yes, how incredibly stupid or arrogant not to dispose of the gun yourself, especially after you go on record claiming you don't own one. Why would he try to keep it ?? Sheesh !
I agree that it sounds strange!  Stephanie sounded pretty self-righteous when she said that she gave it to an "officer of the court".  Come on...   making it sound as if she thought Greim was under an obligation as an "officer of the court" to do the right thing?!  The safest place for the gun was with a man that had attorney-client privilege.

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The gun story seems a little strange that the three of them decided to give the gun to Griem without Blob's knowledge. Or even question him about it. I think at that point they were still trying to cover up for him or at least help. Perhaps that is why they did not mention having any conversation with Blob about the gun. And yes, how incredibly stupid or arrogant not to dispose of the gun yourself, especially after you go on record claiming you don't own one. Why would he try to keep it ?? Sheesh !

Very nice summary, Shadow!

Re the gun, could be they didn't talk with him about it because Boob was in jail and conversations are tape recorded, didn't want to put him in more of a jam.

If they had, certainly Bob would have told them to get rid of it which would make them accessories to murder (hiding/destroying evidence) after the fact which they obviously didn't want to become --- and he would be furious if he knew they turned the gun over to his attorney as an officer of the court.  

It's interesting that Stefanie also turned over the bullets when discovered last month as she could have well concealed the fact she'd found them.  Bob's attorney could argue that the gun was his mother's since she put it in the safety deposit box, but why would Boob who contends he NEVER owned a gun have a box of bullets in his work file cabinet?  Kind of removes any wiggle room about the gun's ownership.  Good on Stefanie for being so honest.

Wonder who the gun is registered to and how BB got his hands on it.

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smallal wrote:The gun story seems a little strange that the three of them decided to give the gun to Griem without Blob's knowledge. Or even question him about it. I think at that point they were still trying to cover up for him or at least help. Perhaps that is why they did not mention having any conversation with Blob about the gun. And yes, how incredibly stupid or arrogant not to dispose of the gun yourself, especially after you go on record claiming you don't own one. Why would he try to keep it ?? Sheesh !
bricktop wrote:I agree that it sounds strange!  Stephanie sounded pretty self-righteous when she said that she gave it to an "officer of the court".  Come on...   making it sound as if she thought Greim was under an obligation as an "officer of the court" to do the right thing?!  The safest place for the gun was with a man that had attorney-client privilege.
I think lawyers despite attorney-client privilege are required to turn over any evidence they are given as they are officers of the court, could be wrong though.

And besides that Griem didn't have an attorney-client relationship with Stephanie, she gave him the gun not Boob.


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kittygirl wrote:Jane and witness were counting funds for church when Bob came into the room and started having a heated discussion with Jane that lasted 10 minutes.  He could not determine what it was about and he tried not to eavesdrop.
Not much point in having Mr. McQueen from St. Michael'stestify, lots of couples have arguments and he didn't know what it was about.


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It was very hard for the dear man.The da didn't go as deep as he could have. If he'd allowed Bill to just tell it you would understand that this poor victim of parkinsons was sufficiently disturbed by what he described as Bob's vitriol towards Jane,that he stood up to Bob and demanded that he leave. This wasn't Just a spat.It was a disturbing fight just 10 or so days before Jane's death...that totally disproves Bob's claims of marital bliss.
Mrs Barbs was there with Bill...Very proud of both of them....And they got guns shoved in their faces by sherrifs...not once but twice!

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kittygirl wrote:Jane and witness were counting funds for church when Bob came into the room and started having a heated discussion with Jane that lasted 10 minutes.  He could not determine what it was about and he tried not to eavesdrop.
Not much point in having Mr. McQueen from St. Michael'stestify, lots of couples have arguments and he didn't know what it was about.


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It was very hard for the dear man.The da didn't go as deep as he could have. If he'd allowed Bill to just tell it you would understand that this poor victim of parkinsons was sufficiently disturbed by what he described as Bob's vitriol towards Jane,that he stood up to Bob and demanded that he leave. This wasn't Just a spat.It was a disturbing fight just 10 or so days before Jane's death...that totally disproves Bob's claims of marital bliss.
Mrs Barbs was there with Bill...Very proud of both of them....And they got guns shoved in their faces by sherrifs...not once but twice!
That poor man. I'm very sorry for what they had to endure today!!!


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That poor man.  I'm very sorry for what they had to endure today!!!
Thanks Kitty...Word is that the blobber's face showed shock when he recognized who was testifying!

And as for Mrs Barbs? Well,she has never taken sh!t from Blob...Giggle every time I remember her poking him in the chest as she pushed him out of a room,with him scrambling backward's...She's a bad@$$...Smile 

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That poor man.  I'm very sorry for what they had to endure today!!!
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And as for Mrs Barbs? Well,she has never taken sh!t from Blob...Giggle every time I remember her poking him in the chest as she pushed him out of a room,with him scrambling backward's...She's a bad@$$...Smile 

I agree Kitty. The importance of his testimony as far as I can recall (I did not write this down-- but I'd bet money on the date because my jaw dropped!) is the day he found himself in the middle of what was so heated an argument that he asked Monster Blob to leave. I'm fairly certain I heard "January 22, 2012." This would have been Sunday, January 22. Two days before Jane was murdered.

As for Mrs. Barbs-- you go girl, you go!!


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kittygirl wrote:
That poor man.  I'm very sorry for what they had to endure today!!!
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And as for Mrs Barbs? Well,she has never taken sh!t from Blob...Giggle every time I remember her poking him in the chest as she pushed him out of a room,with him scrambling backward's...She's a bad@$$...Smile 

I agree Kitty. The importance of his testimony as far as I can recall (I did not write this down-- but I'd bet money on the date because my jaw dropped!) is the day he found himself in the middle of what was so heated an argument that he asked Monster Blob to leave. I'm fairly certain I heard "January 22, 2012." This would have been Sunday, January 22. Two days before Jane was murdered.

As for Mrs. Barbs-- you go girl, you go!!
I agree, Chewie!  I heard Jan 22nd as well.  Which makes sense because you count collection funds on a Sunday after services.

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kittygirl wrote:first witness church member.  I didn't catch the name.  Testifying about events of Jan 22.  
it was January 22, I noted it when I was doing updates Smile


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Wasn't that Saturday night the night that that Amy woman said she saw Bob and Rachel at Deviations BDSM event? The 21st.


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chewet wrote:
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kittygirl wrote:
That poor man.  I'm very sorry for what they had to endure today!!!
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And as for Mrs Barbs? Well,she has never taken sh!t from Blob...Giggle every time I remember her poking him in the chest as she pushed him out of a room,with him scrambling backward's...She's a bad@$$...Smile 

I agree Kitty. The importance of his testimony as far as I can recall (I did not write this down-- but I'd bet money on the date because my jaw dropped!) is the day he found himself in the middle of what was so heated an argument that he asked Monster Blob to leave. I'm fairly certain I heard "January 22, 2012." This would have been Sunday, January 22. Two days before Jane was murdered.

As for Mrs. Barbs-- you go girl, you go!!
Thanks Chewet...I got scolded by The Mrs for messing up the date...It was 2 days,not 10.Embarassed 

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