Warning: foul language quoted
- currently in correction facility for robbery; serving sentence
- used to be in Oaks correctional (not there now; not revealing where he's at now)
- was there for about 8 weeks before being transferred
- cellmate of Bob's; just him and Bob
- shared cell for about 6 weeks
- they talked; they both shared info
- Bob told him someone said this witness was a Moore? or Muslim?; he could have things done?
- Bob talked about Joe Gentz, guy named Steve at appliance store; and Timothy Ramsey
- Bob wanted all three "hit" - killed!!!
- Started off with just Joe; Bob asked if witness could get to someone already in jail; witness said yes
- Bob cried; witness said you killed your wife; Bob said no; witness said you had her killed
- Bob upset because they'd believe "a retard" over himself
- Never said he had Jane killed; never denied it
- Said he needed that "fucker" gone
- His observation was that Bob did it
- Bob wanted "fat piece of shit Steve gone"; witness knows who Steve is
- Bob said Steve carries a gun ('38); Steve kept telling Bob that Steve could have Joe killed; wanted Steve killed because Steve set him up and because he was wearing a wire
- witness played along with him; said, sure, let's do it
- Wanted to make sure the BS ended (that's why playing along)
- Timothy Ramsey; stayed on 3 Mile Street (Bob wrote it down for him)
- Said Ramsey talks a lot; started a mess at Bob's compound
- Wanted Ramsey killed; Bob didn't say specifically why
- What Bob wrote down was later torn up and flushed
- Talked verbally in the yard because Bob thought the cell was bugged
- showing video of prison yard with people playing basketball; shows Bob and witness walking by and around the whole yard
- video admitted as evidence
- Bob offered witness cash; witness said it's going to cost you; Bob said his money was tied up (Rick? was power of attorney); had someone to sell his house for him; Rick ended up selling it for him (for $350K; less than expected)
- Bob said he had to pay someone $100K (mom?)
- Bob's story changed
- Bob's money was tied up; Bob had to go to court for his money; state had his money tied up
- Bob asked witness to call Rick; witness called to discuss what happened at court (related to Bob's money being tied up)
- Conveyed info learned to Bob
- Rick put money into witness' account (limited to $50/month, because witness owed restitution he couldn't get more)
- Talked to Rick about receiving money; witness talked to Rick twice on phone
- Bob was going to offer property for hits; mortgage value was coming down; Bob could pay him off with house
- hit person could take over the note; rent another property and make a profit
- witness' aunt in real estate; said he could have appraisal done
- House was on Gilford?
- Witness told Bob not to tell anyone else about the plans for the hits
- Bob told witness that he told a guy in Level 2 the same thing; before arraignment; put in level 4 after that; another guy said he could make it happen for $1K; this was before Bob met this witness
- Witness said he had too many people involved; bringing too much heat
- Bob did what he had to do
- Lost contact with other guy when moved to Level 4
- Witness wrote letter to prosecutor to share info; told Ms Worthy what Bob wanted him to do
- Then witness interviewed by prosecutor's office; told them what he testified to today
- Has not been promised anything in return for testimony; only told if he gets re-sentenced, prosecutor would say he had cooperated in this case
- Witness was put in bullpen with Bob; Bob called him a rat; pointed him out to whoever was watching and Bob pointed him out and called him a rat; "he's doing a good job" telling on Bob
Cross: - Used to be a moore? Wasn't active. Used to be a Muslim. A moore practices Islamic; science temple of America; active back in 2006-7; was in prison at the time
- You can get things done when you're a Moore or a Muslim
- Witness has spent most of his life in prison
- Witness knows what to do and what not to do; unwritten rules of being in prison
- At Oaks facility, witness was in Level 4
- 6-7 weeks as Bob's cellmate; 22 hours per day (2 hours for recreation)
- Does Bob just talk all the time? No
- Sept. 8, 2012; committed armed robbery; convicted 2013
- Aug. 31, 2012; committed armed robbery; convicted
- within the last 10 years, you've been convicted of two bank robberies (2004) - yes
- witness sentenced to 5.5 to 25.5 for each; served 5.5 years for one of the bank robberies
- witness didn't want to see anyone killed
- witness said he could get things done
- witness told Bob he could have witness' cousin kill someone; never told prosecutor that
- witness said he needed his time cut down; couldn't be offered that
- decided to "do the right thing"
- witness is now housed in level 2 (dorm style); benefit he got as a result of testifying
- witness can't remember name of prisoner Bob was talking to before him; worked with maintenance people who Bob could talk to
- Saw Bob talk to few other people; most people didn't want to be bothered with him
- attorney is saying witness lies; witness says he's not lying
Re-direct - originally asked for benefit of reduced time; was told they couldn't do it
- witness still gave a statement without getting time cut
- if word got out that witness was a rat, in Level 4, he could have been harmed
Judge asking for no speaking objections - Bob called him Buckwheat; made witness mad