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Bob Bashara Sentencing and the fate of Joe Gentz

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101 To be continued ? on Sat 13 Feb 2016, 1:46 pm

meandmyshadow wrote:Wow how convenient right when the media is ALL ABUZZ with the Netflix documentary "Making a Murderer" and police coercing and framing people for murder.  Hmmmm. Coincidence?  I think not!



What happened ? Was to be continued February 11, 2016 9:00 am in Vonda Evans courtroom. That day and time has passed !!

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smallal wrote:
What happened ? Was to be continued February 11, 2016 9:00 am in Vonda Evans courtroom. That day and time has passed !!

Hi Smallal! Just went to https://cmspublic.3rdcc.org/default.aspx and pulled up the case's Register of Actions, and noted that on 2/11/16 the court once again continued the hearing. This time to 3/11/16 at 9 a.m. (Sorry, not sure how to screen shot the RoA or I'd put it here)

Hope it's not more and more shenanigans...and rather just a "hurry up and wait" he's got nothing but time on his hands, you know? Mad


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Thanks for the link, chewet.  It looks like tomorrow's hearing has been rescheduled to 4/12/16.

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Bashara attorney files motion for Gentz to testify in hopes of getting new trial

By Local 4 - ClickOnDetroit news staff
Posted: 10:54 PM, March 23, 2016
Updated: 10:41 AM, March 25, 2016


Bashara’s attorney filed a motion for a writ requesting to have convicted murderer Joe Gentz brought from prison to testify before the court in the hope that Gentz's new testimony would lead to a new trial for Bashara.

...If the motion is granted, court sessions could resume in April, but ultimately that is up to Judge Vonda Evans.

Read more:  http://www.clickondetroit.com/web/wdiv/news/bashara-attorney-files-motion-for-gentz-to-testify-in-hopes-of-getting-new-trial

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Bashara attorney files motion for Gentz to testify in hopes of getting new trial

By Local 4 - ClickOnDetroit news staff
Posted: 10:54 PM, March 23, 2016
Updated: 10:41 AM, March 25, 2016


Bashara’s attorney filed a motion for a writ requesting to have convicted murderer Joe Gentz brought from prison to testify before the court in the hope that Gentz's new testimony would lead to a new trial for Bashara.

...If the motion is granted, court sessions could resume in April, but ultimately that is up to Judge Vonda Evans.

Read more:  http://www.clickondetroit.com/web/wdiv/news/bashara-attorney-files-motion-for-gentz-to-testify-in-hopes-of-getting-new-trial

I can't imagine both Blob and Gentz in the same courtroom. Blob has been attempting to retry his case within the hearing. Let's hope saner minds prevail and the judge resolves this hoax and slams the door on this nonsense.

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Apparently, there was a hearing yesterday regarding a motion about prosecutorial misconduct:


Bob Bashara Hearing 04/05/16




Source:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0EwHyzbwWk

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CuriousPortlander wrote:
Apparently, there was a hearing yesterday regarding a motion about prosecutorial misconduct:


Bob Bashara Hearing 04/05/16




Source:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0EwHyzbwWk

I find it difficult to believe that neither JG or the "para-legal" wrote this affidavit. Since he gave it to "Lenny", his own PI on Nov 23, who probably had someone(BB's lawyer?) doctor it up and return it to this guy for JG to sign it on Dec 2.
BTW, it is really a shame that a wonderful woman was murdered and that fact is obscured by such a bevy of off the wall characters and witnesses who in my opinion are not of this world as most of us know it.

One more thing, hopefully the prosecutor can question Mr. Gentz, considering his intelligence, at what point did he come up with the idea of putting Mrs. Bashara's body in her car and driving it to Detroit. And coincidentally a car-jacking was one of BB's first explanation of what happened to his wife as well as his neglecting to mention JG to the police who questioned him.

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108 Legal Question on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 11:31 am

IMO Blob was convicted on circumstantial evidence not direct testimony of JG. In fact there was no testimony claiming Blob was in the garage with JG. So whatever JG claims now is irrelevant to the results of the trial. There was more than one charge Blob was found guilty of, one of which was conspiracy which carries the same punishment and has nothing to do with him being present during the murder. Sure hope this Judge can straighten this out by getting to the truth which seems a formidable task among this pack of characters. This newer version leaves more questions(with answers that would defy logic) than any plausible explanations.For instance, the staging of the SUV to look like a car-jacking. Does anyone believe JG could concoct this plan ? And the coincidence that Blob mentioned a car jacking to police ? Even if Blob may or may not have been there, the motivation for JG's action was the same, he was being paid by Blob. And to this day, JG may believe that Blob is still going to pay him so better not to keep him incarcerated cause he'll never see his money or the caddy in that scenario. Looking forward to saner minds prevailing tomorrow if its not postponed one more time.

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smallal wrote:IMO Blob was convicted on circumstantial evidence not direct testimony of JG. In fact there was no testimony claiming Blob was in the garage with JG. So whatever JG claims now is irrelevant to the results of the trial. There was more than one charge Blob was found guilty of, one of which was conspiracy which carries the same punishment and has nothing to do with him being present during the murder. Sure hope this Judge can straighten this out by getting to the truth which seems a formidable task among this pack of characters. This newer version leaves more questions(with answers that would defy logic) than any plausible explanations.For instance, the staging of the SUV to look like a car-jacking. Does anyone believe JG could concoct this plan ? And the coincidence that Blob mentioned a car jacking to police ? Even if Blob may or may not have been there, the motivation for JG's action was the same, he was being paid by Blob. And to this day, JG may believe that Blob is still going to pay him so better not to keep him incarcerated cause he'll never see his money or the caddy in that scenario. Looking forward to saner minds prevailing tomorrow if its not postponed one more time.

I agree, Smallal.  I don't think Joe could have written the document on his own, nor do I think he could have carried this out on his own.

What I don't get about the "Joe changes his story" thing is this.  Originally, Bob said he wasn't at the house during the time frame.  Only after someone supposedly said they saw Bob at the house moving cars did he change his story to say he went home for "keys".  So he already admitted he WAS at the house.  So how exactly does yet another contradiction help him?

Even though Joe wasn't a witness, if he was coerced into changing his story, could Bob be charged with witness intimidation or witness tampering?  I'm hoping they have some evidence, if this is the case.

Definitely more questions than answers.  I hope we find out more tomorrow morning, as I believe Judge Evans said that Joe will be there.

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Here's a page that has three live-streaming links on it for tomorrow's hearing.

http://www.courtchatter.com/#!schedule/mainPage

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Bob Bashara due in court today in quest for new trial

Detroit Free Press staff 12:06 a.m. EDT April 12, 2016

In his quest for a new trial, Bob Bashara -- convicted in his wife's killing and serving a life prison sentence -- is scheduled to be back in court for a hearing today.

Also expected in court: Joseph Gentz, Bashara's former handyman who admitted to killing Grosse Pointe Park mother Jane Bashara.

...Asked what could happen at the hearing, attorney John J. Holler III, appointed to represent Gentz, said Monday that his client could testify or refuse to do so.

Read more:  http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/04/12/bashara-seeking-new-trial/82916936/

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Gentz phone calls could signal change in Bob Bashara case

By Shawn Ley - Reporter
Posted: 11:28 PM, April 11, 2016  Updated: 11:28 PM, April 11, 2016


...An affidavit transcribed by an inmate features Gentz doing a 180-degree spin that could turn the case on its head. It states Gentz says he killed Jane Bashara, but that Bob Bashara wasn't there in the garage, ordering him to do it.

Gentz now says Bob Bashara didn't ask him to kill his wife. He also says that there were other people at the scene of the murder.

"I am going to tell you what, there was actually four people in the same place, yeah," Gentz says.

Read more:  http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/gentz-phone-calls-could-signal-change-in-bob-bashara-case

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So called jailhouse lawyer Vertinelli (actually certified paralegal) testified in no uncertain terms last week that he only typed the affidavit (of confession) handed him by Gentz, but did not assist him in writing it. Clearly, Gentz with a documented IQ of 70 could not have written that legally erudite document.

If prosecutors in the hearing ask Gentz to read his statement, it's very likely he will be unable to get through the first paragraph or any three syllable words, proving he didn't write it.

So who wrote it and what did Gentz get for agreeing to this charade?

Justice for Jane, stand firm.


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BOB BASHARA HEARING - PART 1




Source:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAkM-S_5lBE


BOB BASHARA HEARING - PART 2



Source:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxhbjNFol9o

Both videos published on Apr 12, 2016 by Lady Justice 2188

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Next hearing is Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 9:30 a.m. Eastern.

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Cathy ‏@courtchatter
15m15 minutes ago

Cathy Retweeted Jameson Cook

#BobBashara - The drama never ends.  

Cathy added,
Jameson Cook @JamesonCook
Attorney: Gentz attacked in prison for implicating Bashara http://www.macombdaily.com/article/MD/20160412/NEWS/160419917 … via @macombdaily

https://twitter.com/hashtag/bobbashara

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117 the real reason on Wed 13 Apr 2016, 10:41 am

CuriousPortlander wrote:
Cathy ‏@courtchatter
15m15 minutes ago

Cathy Retweeted Jameson Cook

#BobBashara - The drama never ends.  

Cathy added,
Jameson Cook @JamesonCook
Attorney: Gentz attacked in prison for implicating Bashara http://www.macombdaily.com/article/MD/20160412/NEWS/160419917 … via @macombdaily

https://twitter.com/hashtag/bobbashara

Speculation: Perhaps the real reason behind JG's ruse is that he believes BB is still somehow attempting to get him and fears for his life. He thinks the only way out is to exonerate BB. At first he only wanted to talk about how the authorities coerced his version but was not going to be allowed to pick and choose. So now he'll have to perjure himself and contradict what is in that video. And make the new version a believable scenario. The fact that JG is willing to risk life in prison to get out from what in his mind is BB's power over him shows how desperate and scared he really is. He appeared nervous and just barely catching a glimpse of BB behind him. Also, BB made sure his voice was heard and presence felt during the Judge's questioning of JG. IMO part of me thinks the judge has had enough of this circus and is ready to deny the new trial because they have not proven the facts that were stated as a basis for requesting a new trial(inadequate legal representation).

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Here we go again:

Cathy ‏@courtchatter Apr 12

#BobBashara - I'm typing this trying not to curse. Gentz won't testify on the 21st. Another date will be set then for the 3-4 day hearing.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23bobbashara&src=typd

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This morning's hearing was postponed until 1:30 Eastern.

http://www.courtchatter.com/#!schedule/mainPage

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Wow!  As Nancy Grace would say:  "Bombshell tonight!"

Joe testified that his original testimony was the truth and that the affadivit is all lies.  He said Bob was there, let him in the house, pulled a gun on Joe, and told him to kill Jane.  Bob helped Joe load her body in the car, and then Bob emptied her purse in the car.

Next hearing is May 10 at 9:30.

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BOB BASHARA HEARING - PART 1



BOB BASHARA HEARING - PART 2 (GENTZ TESTIFIES)


Both videos published on April 21, 2016.

Source:  LadyJustice2188's Youtube channel:  https://www.youtube.com/results?sp=EgIIAg%253D%253D&q=lady+justice+2188

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If you only can watch one of these, watch Part 2!

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CuriousPortlander wrote:
BOB BASHARA HEARING - PART 1



BOB BASHARA HEARING - PART 2 (GENTZ TESTIFIES)


Both videos published on April 21, 2016.

Source:  LadyJustice2188's Youtube channel:  https://www.youtube.com/results?sp=EgIIAg%253D%253D&q=lady+justice+2188

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Honestly, I find Joe very believable! I kind of got chills when he so vividly described the "wheel" signs and golf clubs going to Lochmoor! He wouldn't know ANYTHING about those things unless he actually heard them being said.
If you only can watch one of these, watch Part 2!

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I found Joe to be very credible as well, as did most people on twitter.  Just listening to him try to read the affidavit proved he couldn't possibly have written it.  

I wonder if the prosecution team can investigate Carlos Vertinelli (sp?) and figure out what/who put him up to this.  I wonder, too, if they will go after him for perjury.

If Bob had any involvement in getting that affidavit produced, it backfired on him BIG time!  Serves him right.

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Gentz creates ‘epic legal disaster' for Bashara

By Jameson Cook, The Macomb Daily
Posted: 04/21/16, 7:25 PM EDT | Updated: 34 secs ago


Bob Bashara got the witness he wanted to take the stand, but “Master Bob” didn’t get the testimony he wanted.

Far from it.

In what was called an “epic legal disaster” by an attorney, Joe Gentz virtually sealed Bashara’s fate in his attempt for a new trial by saying Bob Bashara ordered him to kill Bashara’s wife, Jane.

...Metro-Detroit criminal defense lawyer Neil Rockind, who is not connected to the case, said the hearing was an epic legal disaster for Bashara and his appellate attorney, Ronald Ambrose.

Rockind compared Gentz to a “Trojan horse.”

He infected the appeal to the point that it cannot be won and should be withdrawn,” he said. “To call a witness expecting him to say one thing and then to have him say the exact opposite is a lawyer’s and party’s worst nightmare. Lawyers lay awake at night fearing that experience.”

Read more:  http://www.macombdaily.com/article/MD/20160421/NEWS/160429865

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Bob Bashara's post-conviction hearing pushed back

Elisha Anderson, Detroit Free Press 1:16 p.m. EDT May 9, 2016

A hearing to determine if a convicted Grosse Pointe Park murderer will get a new trial has been pushed back.

Bob Bashara, who is serving life in prison without the possibility of parole after being convicted in the death of his wife, Jane Bashara, was scheduled to be back in Wayne County Circuit Court Tuesday.  The hearing is now scheduled to resume on May 24.

(BBM)

Read more:  http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2016/05/09/bob-bashara-post-conviction-hearing-pushed-back/84138238/

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126 Jane Bashara on Fri 20 May 2016, 8:20 am

I never knew Jane Bashara but I would have liked to.  She and I saw eye to eye on careers, raising of children, family life.   We even chose similar men to make these families with.  I left my husband before he could commit a horrible, horrible crime against me and our children.  Jane didn't leave in time.

Bob Bashara has not only taken a wonderful and appreciated human being out of this world - a woman who was a mother, a daughter, a sister, a friend - but he also committed a crime against his own children.  How could a man take his children's mother away from them?  

He also devastated his own family.  So many people hurt that will never recover.

I think of Jane and her family (children, mother, sisters) every day and I hope they can make some sort of peace in their hearts.  But I'm afraid that Bob filing this appeal just makes it all the more real to them.  

Prayers that this will be done soon and the family can think of the good times with Jane..............

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Video from May 24th hearing:


BOB BASHARA HEARING - PART 3 (GENTZ TESTIFIES)





BOB BASHARA HEARING | PART 4 - (GENTZ TESTIFIES)



Both videos published on May 24th, 2016 by LadyJustice2188

Source:  https://www.youtube.com/results?q=lady+justice+2188&sp=EgIIAw%253D%253D

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For those who don't have time or want to watch the above videos, the defense rested today.  The next hearing is scheduled for July 14th, at 10:30 Eastern.  At that time, Judge Evans will hear closing arguments (40 minutes for each side), and then she will make her ruling.

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According to the court's Register of Actions, tomorrow's hearing has been rescheduled to Friday:

"Post Conviction  (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Evans, Vonda R.)
07/14/2016 Reset by Court to 07/15/2016"

Source:  https://cmspublic.3rdcc.org/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=2319177

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Hank Winchester
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No new trial for #BobBashara. Master Bob heads back to prison where he will remain locked up 4 years @Local4News

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