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wwjd wrote:This trial could last for months with such short days of testimony. 4-5 hour days? 4 days a week? I wanna be a judge!
migraine wrote:Is the prosecution trying to make the point that Blob may have revealed nformation to Wilson about Jane's injuries BEFORE he (Bob) may have actually had confirmation from the authorities about her injuries/cause of death? Am I understanding this correctly?
chewet wrote:From Amy Lange @ Fox 2:
12:25
Amy Lange: Now attorneys talking to the judge.
Lisa Lindsey says she has a long witness coming up.
Fireworks this afternoon?
Go Team Lindsey!!
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EllsBells wrote:Love how the prosecution can demolish BB with his own tv interviews and thus have him testify for them without the defense being able to cross-examine and to try to rehabilitate. Wonder if attention-seeking BB now regrets the most likely advice of his attorneys to keep his damn mouth shut and not give any media interviews. Idiocy = justice for Jane.
Anybody who has ever gotten a cell phone bill knows that there are detailed records of numbers called, dates, length --- so how was BB so clueless to not realize that making massive calls ("blowing up the phone") to Gentz and Gillett would not be easily found by investigators? And that switching to another person's phone the day after Jane's murder showed a guilty need to cover-up? It's amazing this idiot every got pass the eighth grade. Idiocy = justice for Jane.
Prediction: Blob will not take his attorneys' advice and instead will insist on taking the stand, where upon Lindsey will tear him to shreds. Future idiocy = justice for Jane.
EllsBells wrote:Looks like prosecutors are going to use the missing ring as another nail in Bob's coffin. Remember that when Jane (who reportedly removed her rings at night & placed on dresser) woke up Saturday before her death she discovered her very valuable 20K engagement ring was missing. She and friends searched everywhere, presumably maid searched, but couldn't find it. Weeks later it was still missing (including after two police searches of the house), but then BB magically finds it on the floor under/near a planter.
The implication is that BB as he was planning her faux car jacking didn't want the ring swiped by someone finding the car, wanted her to report it missing to friends & co-workers on Monday a day before she was murdered, then concocted a story about how it was misplaced in the house the whole time. Voila, cash-strapped BB has the ring to convert to money!
Goes to his advance planning, disregard for causing exlotreme distress in Jane, and ham-handed way of executing this murder/cover-up. My guess is he thought he was being ohhh so clever, really just an idiot.
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CuriousPortlander wrote:Some great discussions going on here!
Regarding the car ballet witness; thanks for your comments about that possibly being faked. Makes sense when I read your thoughts (and it apparently worked).
So now I'm back to being a bit concerned about how they are going to place him in the garage. He places himself at the house. Is that enough?
I went back through my detailed notes from the hearing that held him over for trial. I think I found one discrepancy about Rachel's testimony. At the hearing, she said the BDSM lifestyle was HER choice. In the trial, she said this:
George Hunter @GeorgeHunter_DN · Oct 16
MM: “You didn’t like that BDSM stuff?” Not really. McCarthy: “The truth of the matter is, you’d do anything for him? Right?”
I also looked to see if Obedient Slave testified at the hearing, but I don't think she did.
@Migraine - thanks for your facts about the lights. Sorry about the situation it created for you!
Fifteen30 wrote:EllsBells wrote:Looks like prosecutors are going to use the missing ring as another nail in Bob's coffin. Remember that when Jane (who reportedly removed her rings at night & placed on dresser) woke up Saturday before her death she discovered her very valuable 20K engagement ring was missing. She and friends searched everywhere, presumably maid searched, but couldn't find it. Weeks later it was still missing (including after two police searches of the house), but then BB magically finds it on the floor under/near a planter.
The implication is that BB as he was planning her faux car jacking didn't want the ring swiped by someone finding the car, wanted her to report it missing to friends & co-workers on Monday a day before she was murdered, then concocted a story about how it was misplaced in the house the whole time. Voila, cash-strapped BB has the ring to convert to money!
Goes to his advance planning, disregard for causing exlotreme distress in Jane, and ham-handed way of executing this murder/cover-up. My guess is he thought he was being ohhh so clever, really just an idiot.
I'm confused about the rings.....I believe there were three instances when her diamond and rings went missing, not just one: In the first case, her diamond "fell" out of its setting; she looked all over for it and didn't find it. The diamond was replaced--I think--by blob. In the second case, the entire ring--diamond along with its setting--was "lost." She was sick over it--looked and looked and didn't find it. It was replaced with an entirely different setting and a new diamond. (I have first-hand knowledge from Jane about these two instances) In the third istance, I think this is the ring he found saying it was misplaced. Like you, I think cash-strapped blob had the first two instances converted to money, and he got caught in the third instance.
Obedient Slave is from Chicago.Fifteen30 wrote:CuriousPortlander wrote:Some great discussions going on here!
Regarding the car ballet witness; thanks for your comments about that possibly being faked. Makes sense when I read your thoughts (and it apparently worked).
So now I'm back to being a bit concerned about how they are going to place him in the garage. He places himself at the house. Is that enough?
I went back through my detailed notes from the hearing that held him over for trial. I think I found one discrepancy about Rachel's testimony. At the hearing, she said the BDSM lifestyle was HER choice. In the trial, she said this:
George Hunter @GeorgeHunter_DN · Oct 16
MM: “You didn’t like that BDSM stuff?” Not really. McCarthy: “The truth of the matter is, you’d do anything for him? Right?”
I also looked to see if Obedient Slave testified at the hearing, but I don't think she did.
@Migraine - thanks for your facts about the lights. Sorry about the situation it created for you!
QUESTION: Is Obedient Slave the one from Oregon...the one they flew in to testify at the hearing? Or is this the one who joined blob and RG in the marital bed?
EllsBells wrote:Fifteen30 wrote:EllsBells wrote:Looks like prosecutors are going to use the missing ring as another nail in Bob's coffin. Remember that when Jane (who reportedly removed her rings at night & placed on dresser) woke up Saturday before her death she discovered her very valuable 20K engagement ring was missing. She and friends searched everywhere, presumably maid searched, but couldn't find it. Weeks later it was still missing (including after two police searches of the house), but then BB magically finds it on the floor under/near a planter.
The implication is that BB as he was planning her faux car jacking didn't want the ring swiped by someone finding the car, wanted her to report it missing to friends & co-workers on Monday a day before she was murdered, then concocted a story about how it was misplaced in the house the whole time. Voila, cash-strapped BB has the ring to convert to money!
Goes to his advance planning, disregard for causing exlotreme distress in Jane, and ham-handed way of executing this murder/cover-up. My guess is he thought he was being ohhh so clever, really just an idiot.
I'm confused about the rings.....I believe there were three instances when her diamond and rings went missing, not just one: In the first case, her diamond "fell" out of its setting; she looked all over for it and didn't find it. The diamond was replaced--I think--by blob. In the second case, the entire ring--diamond along with its setting--was "lost." She was sick over it--looked and looked and didn't find it. It was replaced with an entirely different setting and a new diamond. (I have first-hand knowledge from Jane about these two instances) In the third istance, I think this is the ring he found saying it was misplaced. Like you, I think cash-strapped blob had the first two instances converted to money, and he got caught in the third instance.
In prior discussion on this site, many posters thought the first two instances were insurance fraud by Bob, where he stole Jane's diamonds/rings and had them replaced by insurance company. On the third missing instance just before Jane's murder, I don't think Blob was "caught" as it wasn't submitted for insurance reimbursement, just "missing" for awhile. Don't remember hearing if he sold that ring in the months after her death or gave it to Jessica.
chewet wrote:Can anyone clarify what the heck was going on at court re that last second witness who apparently showed up?? Frances Natale??
meandmyshadow wrote:chewet wrote:Can anyone clarify what the heck was going on at court re that last second witness who apparently showed up?? Frances Natale??
This is all I could find!
FRANCES NATALE
Status: Booked
State: MI
Arrest Date: 2014-10-17 3:20 pm
Booking Facility: Wayne County
Major Population Center(s): Detroit
Height:
Weight:
Gender:
Date of Birth: 1/27/1960
Age: 54 years old
Age at Booking: 54
Age now: 54
Booking # 2014025307 Name NATALE, FRANCES
Booking Date 10/17/2014 3:20:00 PM Docket # 13-8320 Fac. 1
DOB 1/27/1960 Bond N Bond Type REM Bond Amt. 0.00
Charge MATERIAL WITNESS
source
also found this:
Frances Anna Natale
Location: Brighton, Michigan 48114
Age: 54 years old
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chewet wrote:Thank you, Ells & Shadow!! Am trying to catch up and not at a spot to post and/or look but caught the "commotion" via twitter... Sounds like she was the homeless person they had to arrest to ensure testimony?
smallal wrote:chewet wrote:Thank you, Ells & Shadow!! Am trying to catch up and not at a spot to post and/or look but caught the "commotion" via twitter... Sounds like she was the homeless person they had to arrest to ensure testimony?
I am trying to recall and search for the information on JG's movements the night of the murder. He was seen(on camera) at a McDonalds, we speculated he took a bus and walked home. But I do vaguely recall something like he called a friend, and she picked him up. Is Frances this woman ? If she testifies that JG told her the same story he told his friends who convinced him to turn himself in then there is another corroboration of JG's story. Does anyone recall if that was discussed during the Hinky Meter days or on this blog ?
EllsBells wrote:
Good memory, Smallal, now I vaguely recall something about a woman picking up Gentz that night, not sure from which blog.
Wonder why she is so reluctant to testify, as JG has already confessed, just a question of whether the jury will be convinced he acted on his own or under BB's direction. Intimidation, misplaced loyalty or just wanting to stay out of the whole thing. It's too bad she has to be locked up until her testimony, doubt that will make her feel more kindly toward the process.
jan_53 wrote:Fox 2 reported that Frances Natale is Joe Gentz's girlfriend.
AnalyzeThis wrote:EllsBells wrote:
Good memory, Smallal, now I vaguely recall something about a woman picking up Gentz that night, not sure from which blog.
Wonder why she is so reluctant to testify, as JG has already confessed, just a question of whether the jury will be convinced he acted on his own or under BB's direction. Intimidation, misplaced loyalty or just wanting to stay out of the whole thing. It's too bad she has to be locked up until her testimony, doubt that will make her feel more kindly toward the process.
Here's a link to another forum where a poster who also posts here gave some great summaries of the prelim, and mentions JG getting picked up at McDonalds, but by Gregory Barraco (referred to as "witness" in the post).
http://realitychatter.forumotions.net/t3804p950-jane-bashara-deceased-1-24-12
post describing Gregory Barraco's testimony (hope this is OK to paste here...it's just part of the page):
hung out with Joe and Steve Virgona
Between Nov. and Christmas 2011; Joe asked if this witness would help him hurt someone in Grosse Point; Joe said he was being paid $5K; wanted to hit her with a big car
He mentioned it was Bob that wanted to hurt this person
witness said he didn't want to hear this; wanted nothing to do with it
Joe asked him three times on separate occasions; same response each time; no
never heard Bob's last name
End of Jan. 2012, witness was asked to pick up Joe from McDonalds (around 10:30 p.m.) (Joe called 5-6 times)
Joe sounded nervous; was in a hurry to be picked up
witness had been to McDonalds earlier with a friend and they had left witness' car there
went back to McDonalds
Joe was pacing and smoking nervously; he was upset; talking on phone; he said on phone that he was going away for about 20 years; Joe had a fresh scratch on his face
Friend gave Joe the ride he needed; witness left
CuriousPortlander wrote:
Bashara's former handyman won't testify in court
Gina Damron, Detroit Free Press 5:29 p.m. EDT October 10, 2014
Gentz's decision means prosecutors could withdraw the plea and reinstate the charge of first-degree murder.
...Earlier this week, while reading the names of defense witnesses to prospective jurors in Bashara's trial, the defense listed Gentz.
Now, the defense plans to file a motion asking the court for a finding that Gentz is not available to testify, said Michael McCarthy, one of the attorneys representing Bashara.
"If that finding is made, then under the rules of evidence certain things that he said in the past can be admitted into evidence," McCarthy said.
At a hearing following Gentz's hearing, Evans told attorneys that, during opening statements in Bashara's trial on Tuesday, they can't say Gentz will testify.
Source: http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2014/10/10/gentz-court-hearing/17036329/
meandmyshadow wrote:Smallal--how did you know the "witness" with Gregory was Frances?
smallal wrote:meandmyshadow wrote:Smallal--how did you know the "witness" with Gregory was Frances?
I found an archive of his testimony in the preliminary hearing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_KSXS9aCoc
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GPPGRL wrote:Couple of things: if there were several instances of Jane's rings/diamonds missing, (EllsBells) does Rachel's "promise ring" look at all familiar?
And some thoughts about Frances: if she's living out of her van and has been for some time, she's pretty marginalized socially and most likely either has mental health or substance abuse issues I would think.
AnalyzeThis wrote:Great comment by George Hunter
"Today's expected witness: Janet Leehman, the woman from Oregon.
Bob tried to woo her into a threesome with Rachel by mailing her his dirty t-shirt, a leather collar, and 2 Olive Garden gift certificates."
chewet wrote:Welp, first order of the day and it's announced no court on Friday now. Geez. Smh.
(From the freep blog)
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meandmyshadow wrote:GeorgeHunterTwitter
"how could I have killed my wife if I was president of the Rotary?" Laughing my A$$ off as the kids would say!
EllsBells wrote:meandmyshadow wrote:GeorgeHunterTwitter
"how could I have killed my wife if I was president of the Rotary?" Laughing my A$$ off as the kids would say!
Analyze and Shadow, that comment is too funny. Wonder if any in the courtroom did laugh out loud! Incredible thing is he probably did then and still believes that was his get out of jail free card! If it wouldn't take all my free time, I'd keep a running tally of all the idiotic things BB did in this plot. Candidate for the Stupidest Criminal Of All Time.
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